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Re: Fire Emblem Discussion

Posted: 15 Feb 2017 18:33
by Kong Wen
Jordan wrote:Though for the record, my friend code is 2988932011...
Mine is 1615397975 — I sent you a request. Never know, maybe they'll do something to make this more useful in an update down the line.

Re: Fire Emblem Discussion

Posted: 15 Feb 2017 21:08
by Jordan
She's more of a physical tank sadly.

To give some perspective, my Corrin's stats at level 39 are 38 HP, 31 Attack, 30 Speed, 31 defense and 21 Res.

Now I don't know what her nature is, so it's possible that she might be -Res. I don't know that for sure though. In any case, even if she was she seems more oriented toward defense. She can probably take one neutral or red magic hit but not a green one.

Right now the best Res tank in the game is Felicia. Unfortunately, she is not great for much else. Most mages have decent Res so often the weapon triangle advantage makes all the difference with them. Pegasus Knights and some cav units have good Res as well. Every now and then you'll come across a weird oddball unit that specializes in Res as well, such as Fir (inf. swordsman).

Re: Fire Emblem Discussion

Posted: 15 Feb 2017 21:16
by Kong Wen
I'll probably still level her and get her ranked up because people seem to like her. I'll bring Felicia and Olivia along for the ride, and Lon'Qu I guess (just because he has that nasty pre-counter passive I like).

Yeah, my Tharja has better defense than res, too, I think. I've been using Cordelia when needed. Honestly, I think my number one team gap right now is to replace Tharja with a green mage.

Re: Fire Emblem Discussion

Posted: 15 Feb 2017 21:55
by Jordan
The special events seem to cycle. If you have the patience, you could pick up Cecilia when her event comes around. She'll be two star and you'll have to grind her and spend feathers. Nonetheless, she's a good filler green mage in the absence of anything else. She's also mounted. Her stats are oriented toward power but her range and mobility allow her to get away with it.

I think the best green mages are the game are as follows:

Nino-Better than Merric and Raigh if you bother to promote her. She shits out damage and her weapon allows her to do even more damage based on whatever buffs she has. She kind of needs a team built around her to maximize said buffs, but she is reliably fast and powerful. Nino also offers the team a lot of utility with draw back and attack buffs.

Fae-Fae is a green dragon unit, but dragons do magic damage in this game. Compared to Nino, she's less powerful but more durable. She also doesn't have 2 range. Her attacks buff your team's defense and res. Like Nino, she also has draw back. Being a dragon is problematic for her as she will die to any falchion user or Julia's Naga. As a blue killer, tank and utility mage, however, she's one of the best characters in the game regardless.

Julia-She was just added in the last update. She has high res and power, which makes her functionally similar to Nino. Her special weapon does bonus damage to dragons and gives her +2 def/res when attacked. She has breath of life which heals nearby allies when she attacks. Her special skill also boosts her power significantly on a 4 action cd. Her max stats are not known yet but I'd wager that she's a top tier character given her skills and statline. Compared to Nino she seems less powerful, though with a special ability to help compensate. She also appears to be slower than Nino.

If you get any of these you should be solid, though Nino requires at least investing to get her to 4*. Raigh and Merric can work, but they're honestly not good. Cecilia is a mounted green mage but she ends up with mediocre caps outside of strength. She gets a weapon advantage against colorless but it turns out to be useless: most Takumis will double and kill Cecilia unless she is heavily speed buffed. +attack Takumi will one or two shot her depending on her nature, and it may not matter anyways since he probably will also double her.

Re: Fire Emblem Discussion

Posted: 17 Feb 2017 05:26
by Kong Wen
Turns out I had a Cecilia on my B-Squad. She'll have to do until I come across something better.

I finally beat all the story stages on hard mode, despite massive stamina costs and my damn touchscreen-diseased iPhone causing me to make tons of unintended actions. Now I'll work on low-level Lunatic stages and then spend my spare change stamina points levelling my C-Squad level 1 grunts in the training matches. I'd like to at least get a Felicia, Olivia, and this female Corrin levelled up so I can unlock potential for cheap and see how they play.

Re: Fire Emblem Discussion

Posted: 17 Feb 2017 23:25
by Jordan
I imagine PVP in this game being very stupid. I never understood the draw of that in FE, seeing as people will probably just spend a billion turns standing outside of range or using cheesy tactics like dual smite. I always just liked fighting the AI in FE and never bothered with multiplayer.

I finished all the missions in the game except the ones that require you to use Eirika, Ephraim, Julia or Seliph (as I have none of these characters). As part of that I also finished the story mode on all three difficulties.

I've mostly been training characters. I get all my 3* to level 20 and then stop: 3* characters are basically useless until promoted to at least 4*. 4* characters are a lot better and can actually compete with 5*, so I level some of those up to 40.

Re: Fire Emblem Discussion

Posted: 17 Feb 2017 23:45
by Kong Wen
Jordan wrote:I finished all the missions in the game except the ones that require you to use Eirika, Ephraim, Julia or Seliph (as I have none of these characters). As part of that I also finished the story mode on all three difficulties.
I also don't have them, and I think I'm going to save my orbs for the next promotion, because none of them seem particularly interesting to me. And I'm not eager to repeat this disaster:

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Jordan wrote:I've mostly been training characters. I get all my 3* to level 20 and then stop: 3* characters are basically useless until promoted to at least 4*. 4* characters are a lot better and can actually compete with 5*, so I level some of those up to 40.
Yeah, that's my plan. I am not close to 40 with any of my characters yet, though.

Re: Fire Emblem Discussion

Posted: 18 Feb 2017 00:17
by Jordan
Oh believe me, I've gotten far worse than that. I dropped some cash on the game last night and blew through 80 orbs. I didn't get a single 5*, and only got three 4*, two of which were duplicates of characters I already had.

You should check the IVs/Natures on those characters anyways. You can use

http://feheroes.wiki/Main_Page
or
https://fireemblem.gamepress.gg/fire-em ... calculator

I prefer the wiki as it uses base stats; that's a lot less confusing (just do some subtraction with weapon MT and stat boosting skills as necessary).

Some of the 3* characters might be gems in disguise. I'd argue that it's better to get a 3* with a good nature than a 4* with a lousy one. I've actually dumped some 4* in favor of their 3* variants with superior natures.

Re: Fire Emblem Discussion

Posted: 18 Feb 2017 06:02
by Kong Wen
Jordan wrote:Oh believe me, I've gotten far worse than that. I dropped some cash on the game last night and blew through 80 orbs. I didn't get a single 5*, and only got three 4*, two of which were duplicates of characters I already had.

You should check the IVs/Natures on those characters anyways. [...] Some of the 3* characters might be gems in disguise. I'd argue that it's better to get a 3* with a good nature than a 4* with a lousy one. I've actually dumped some 4* in favor of their 3* variants with superior natures.
Ugh, condolences!

Thanks for the links, I'll definitely check them out. How do you know which IVs/natures are good and which are bad on which characters? I mean, I guess it's kind of intuitive.

Re: Fire Emblem Discussion

Posted: 18 Feb 2017 18:46
by Jordan
Neutral IVs: This is when you have no boon or bane. This is good on almost every character, or at least not bad.

-Atk: This is bad on basically every character except a healer.

-Spd: This is bad on basically every character except the ones with pitifully low max speed anyways. There are only a few characters like this. Even brave weapon users benefit from higher speed as it can allow them to 4x enemies or avoid getting doubled.

-HP: This is acceptable or good on most. It can sometimes be iffy if you need a very specific level of HP to survive a certain threat. Generally though it's not bad.

-Def: This is good on characters who have pitifully low defense anyways and don't need it as part of a skill (i.e. ignis). Sometimes it's manageable on characters who have decent defense otherwise, so long as their boon is good. Something like +HP, -Def usually just cancels itself out, which is not amazing, but not terrible either. +Atk, -Def is good on many characters.

-Res: This is good on characters who have pitifully low res anyways and don't need it as part of a skill (i.e. glacies). This is often the best bane as magic is not all that dominant.

+Atk: This is good on almost everybody except healers.

+Spd: This is good on almost everybody except characters with really cruddy or mediocre speed. Most of the time brave weapon users won't benefit from this as it still won't be enough to help them, though it depends.

+HP: This is ok so long as your bane is something desirable.

+Def: This can be great or terrible depending on the character.

+Res: This can also be great or terrible depending on the character, though is usually just terrible. It's good for characters that specialize in Res and/or have skills like Glacies which scale off their Res (e.g. Fir and Felicia). Even in those cases, they would have to get a -HP or -Def bane to make +Res worthwhile.